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    The split one week later

     
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    Gordo
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    PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: The split one week later Reply with quote

    I had a good look through my two hives on Sunday and all appears to be progressing beautifully.

    The new hive has comb being drawn out on three bars and Greg quickly spotted the queen hustling across the comb. I didn't see any larva, but at least she's there and appears to be healthy.

    I didn't find any evidence of a new queen in the old hive, but there are still a couple of capped queen cells and the activity level is good. There's still lots of capped brood and they've busily backfilling old brood comb with honey.

    They're still the most laid-back bees a guy could hope to get. Greg and I have both been leaving all of our gear in the cars when we're there and so far so good. Smile

    I harvested my single bar of honey for the year yesterday as well. The comb is that wonderful white shade and the honey itself is so light as to be almost colourless. It's certainly NOT flavourless, though. Cool
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    PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    There is nothing in the world like fresh honey, straight from the comb.
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    PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    biobee wrote:
    There is nothing in the world like fresh honey, straight from the comb.

    You are SO right, Phil. It's amazing stuff. I'm hooked. Very Happy
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    treynolds
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    PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I would love to find a couple queens of that temperment to replace my two supposedly "Buckfast Bee" queens. I know I have complained several times but at times I get tired of messing with those two hives due to the agressive nature and having to stay out of the area for a couple of hours once he hive has been opened. If you have a source or connection please let me know so maybe I can make arrangements or plan for the spring. Thanks
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    PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    treynolds wrote:
    I would love to find a couple queens of that temperment to replace my two supposedly "Buckfast Bee" queens. I know I have complained several times but at times I get tired of messing with those two hives due to the agressive nature and having to stay out of the area for a couple of hours once he hive has been opened. If you have a source or connection please let me know so maybe I can make arrangements or plan for the spring. Thanks

    Sure thing. I got my bees from Geoff Wilson at Green Barn Honey here in Ontario. I don't know if he ships queens or not, but it's worth an inquiry.
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    PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Unfortunately looks like they cannot ship mated queens outside of Canada Crying or Very sad . I will have to keep a look out for another supplier than has a gentler breed somewhere here in the US (preferably not from down south where they may have some africanized cross breeding). I am leary of purchasing any additional stock from R Weaver Apiaries. Thanks for the information.
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    PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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    I would love to find a couple queens of that temperment to replace my two supposedly "Buckfast Bee" queens.


    I notice that you are in Colorado...I got my bees from Jones Bees in Salt Lake City, UT. They are Italian bees and we have not had any problems with aggression. We often work without a net....just a pair of rubber gloves for handling them.

    Jones has no clue about what a TBH is (and have told me that I would not succeed etc., when I told them about mine...I politely ignored them of course), but they are nice lang people who have sold me gentle, healthy bees. Here is their website. http://www.jonesbee.com/

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    You are SO right, Phil. It's amazing stuff. I'm hooked.


    all I can add to this is....Ditto!
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    PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Thanks for the information!
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    PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    treynolds wrote:
    I would love to find a couple queens of that temperment


    I bought a nice queen from John Hartley (http://www.blackforesthoney.com/honey_for_sale.html) in Colorado Springs this year. Probably he's got more. He has Italians, naturally crossed with gentle ferals he's gotten from bee removals. My Italians are supposedly some 'pure' strain bred for nice temperment, and are the gentlest bees I've ever worked with. They're kitten-tame, bare-hand safe, thump the hive and they hardly notice, pop the lid off (I'm using Langstroth hives, hoping to start a TBH next year) and they don't fly up, a few just look at you in a rather cute way, drop a frame like the klutz that I am, they fly up and settle back down in two seconds. The hive with John's queen in it (since 26 June) remains the same as the one that's got the old line's queen.
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    PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    That's great to know, most others are pickup only and the only Buckfasts that I can find are all being supplied by the group I got mine from. One person there acknowledges the problem/issue and the other person swears they have had zero complaints or reports of mean bees. It is R. Weaver and I was a bit suprised when I called to talk over the situation and to get more information on buying another set of queens. So much for complete honesty. Thanks again for the contact!
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    PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    You'd probably have to pick up, but Co. Springs is a lot closer to you.

    It sounds as if you got a little jerked around, since one person acknowledges a temperment problem. But if I was rearing queens, I probably would not be willing to absolutely guarantee good temper, because it's pretty easy for a keeper to make a hive bad-tempered by rough handling, or for it to become bad tempered because of other stuff, like teenagers or raccoons knocking it over several times. Plus all the weird mystical-seeming stuff -- requeen a hive and its temper may change instantly, in spite of the fact that it's got all the same workers. Move a hive and its temper may change. Or the advice of the very elderly beekeeper I knew as a kid, who would make all potential new-hires walk through the bee-yard, not just to see if the guy was calm around bees but to see if the bees hated him, for the old guy insisted that bees just hate some people.

    I should mention that my hive that's got John's queen in it, while remaining perfectly happy to ignore me (though I've not done an extensive inspection of it yet) is now visibly showing its heritage. The majority of the bees look like those of the nuc that raised that queen, but there are also significant numbers (now that it's built up a bit again with new bees) of ones that are of two other different stripe patterns. I'm kind of tickled about this, but I expect a lot of keepers would be displeased, and I do figure I'd better make splits from my 'proven good tempered' Italians to flood my yard with drones from that lineage and lessen the chance that two supercedures from now I end up with something nasty.
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    PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    il volpe wrote:
    ...for the old guy insisted that bees just hate some people.


    I believe this is true. I'm happy to hear someone else has made the same observation. Its probably not hate, but they just smell like bananas or fear. Whatever it is, some people and bees just don't mix.
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    PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    More than one person has said that to me. At around the same time, the guy who ran one of the giant bee-yards that the University of Guelph keeps said he had trouble with it. He didn't get to pick the students who worked there. Most of 'em were fine, some of 'em would get stung really often for no appearant reason, and every so often he'd get one who was completely useless -- the student-worker's presence so infuriated the bees that they'd attack him and anybody attempting to work with him. Leaving the beemaster wondering what the heck he could do with an employee who couldn't do the job, but hadn't done anything wrong.
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    PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Well maybe that's the problem...Those Buckfast just don't like me, must be that little bit of Irish blood I have in me Shocked . I am glad my other 5 hives of feral bees like me, because they are extremly easy to handle.
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