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keeping big red ants out of my hives ?

 
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House Bee


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Location: Aalborg, Denmark

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:50 am    Post subject: keeping big red ants out of my hives ? Reply with quote

Hi all
in one of my bee yards where I have my warré hives I also have the big
red forrest ants.
every spring they are testing my defence and sometimes there is a branch
or weed totching a hive ,if I dont get there the hive is gone in a matter of hours.
under the bottom board i have made "legs" with some large skrews wich is
coated in axel greace and placed in cups filled with oil.
this helps a lot , but none the less i still loose a hive now and again ,so i was
hopeing that some in here have some ideas ,to a more leave alone idea.

The ants are a protected spiecies in Denmark and besides that they have as
much a right to be there as me, so anything killing them is not an option .
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trekmate
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Location: UK, North Yorkshire, Bentham

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've no experience of your forest ants, but generally ants rely on formic acid as a defence mechanism. As a result they avoid alkali which could neutralize their defence. Would spreading lime around the hive help to repel them?
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Robert
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Location: USA, Spring Branch, Texas

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use DE on the groud around the hive, beneficial nematodes, and chickens. My ant problems are gone. Very Happy
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Location: Bicker, Lincolnshire, UK

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If their only means of access is via touching foliage, then you might want to consider mulching around the base of each hive ? And, as trekmate has suggested, adding a few handfuls of wood ash to the mulch wouldn't be a bad idea ...
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House Bee


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Location: Aalborg, Denmark

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

great info, thanks!

It is general in the early spring they are a problem ,and like the bees the ants are looking for food as soon as the snow is gone, and the hives is a buffet Smile
it is a outyard, that is why i dont come round as often , so i will try the
lime ,ash and DE and see what works here.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is the ant : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formica_rufa
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Wikipedia:- Formica rufa is commonly used in forestry and is often introduced into an area as a form of pest management.


So there is a chance that they will help with SHB, Varroa, Wax moth.....
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