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Summer and Autumn plants for honeybees.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like P. tanacetifolia to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done a bit more work on this, and they are two different plants apparently - BUT - you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference between them:

Phacelia tanacetifolia:
http://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=PHTA

Phacelia congesta:
http://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=PHCO2

The only slight difference I can see is that the flowers of congesta might be a tad deeper colour - other than that I guess it would be necessary to see these plants next to each other in order to compare them. I'm beginning to think that this may not be worth the hassle after all, and to stick with cheap Phacelia green manure seeds by the Kg. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I grow Phacelia (I think it is tanacetifolia) as green manure, by the kilo it is about 12 euro, but I too have seen tiny little packets for 2 or 3 euro. It is best to sow it a few times in the year to have continuous flowers available for the bees.

The main difference I see with the phacelia congesta is in the length of stamens. Tancetifolia has much longer protuding stamens. I haven't heard of one or other being better for bees.

I find phacelia is a good bee plant in the summer. I still have phacelia in flower now but I haven't seen bees on it since October. I remember Bernhard
referring to a minimum temperature where plants will not produce nectar or will produce lower quantities, I assume this minimum is different for different plants.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nasturtium became my favorite bee plant this Autumn Smile it flowered much longer then Borage and was visited by the bees in hords Smile Mostly I would see pollen being collected so I assume a great pollen plant. Borage is the my second favorite mostly nectar plant but I have seen bees collect pollen from it too.

I will be planting Borage and Nasturtium in huge quantities next year. My bees have lots of forage from April to Jun. it's the plants flowering after Jun I must focus on.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Che Guebuddha wrote:


I will be planting Borage and Nasturtium in huge quantities next year.


Now you've really got my attention, Dusko. Last summer I was wondering if anyone had any ideas about how to get the sort of seed that's sold by the gram planted and established over areas in the fractional hectare range—say up to about 500 sq. M., tops. Since both Borage and Nasturtium are in this category of seed, it sounds like you've thought through this particular challenge? Please say 'yes'—followed immediately by your generous offer to divulge all you know about how to transform itty-bitty quantities of seeds into "huge quantities" of flowers. In less than a decade, that is.
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