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swarmed and caught - back into TBH - an unartificial swarm

 
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Laurieston
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 8:38 pm    Post subject: swarmed and caught - back into TBH - an unartificial swarm Reply with quote

2 days ago the colony in my tbh swarmed out - I saw it was coming, but giving more space wasn't enough to prevent it. Today we found the swarm, lying on the ground in a patch of nettles. I put them into a box, along with the nettles and poured them into the other end of the tbh.

I had planned to do an artificial swarm, but now it has happened itself.

My concern goes like this...

An un-artificial swarm (which I have ended up with) has lots of foraging bees (at least flown bees) and I am wondering whether the new swarm will lose all its foragers as they will simply return to the old entrance and rejoin the old colony. With the artificial swarm I could rotate the hive to encourage the foragers to join the new (weaker) colony, or follow the various methods described in these forums. I however, have two complete colonies, albeit one with no brood or stored stores.

Oh, and if there are more than one closed queen cells in the original colony do I need to destroy the remainder to prevend cast swarming?

Any ideas.? Thanks.
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Che Guebuddha
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swarmed foragers will not return to the old hive. All bees in the swarm are "programmed" to find a new home. They will only return to their original hive in case they have lost their queen in the swarming process (clipped wings is one of them).

All you do is shake them into a new hive and place them near by your current hive. Worked well for me and worked well for many others I know.
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Laurieston
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 9:33 pm    Post subject: amazing Reply with quote

the more I learn the more amazed I am at these creature. And the more honoured I feel to have the privillage to spend time with them. How on earth did they become like this?

Thanks for the info.
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mal
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Location: Rutland, Leicestershire, UK

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All bees in the swarm are "programmed" to find a new home


So that indicates an answer to niggling question I've had for a while regards the 3ft or 3 mile rule and swarms. Is there any further knowledge/theories as to how this happens ? - do they still remember the old hive but don't go back to it, or are they 'remapped' ? If so is that a release of another magic pheromone at swarm time ?

How quickly does a swarm 'remap' as I've just rehoused a swarm from my baithive to a full hive a mile away after they'd been in the bait box 4 to 5 days ? Potential problem ?
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catchercradle
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moving them a mile, what happens depends a lot on the pattern of forage in the space between. It is worth putting some thick vegitation/branches in front of the entrance after moving them to encourage them to reorientate. This makes absconding back to the old location much less likely.
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