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Small-eyed "young" bees

 
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IanT
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Joined: 21 Feb 2014
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Location: Lafayette, Indiana

PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:24 pm    Post subject: Small-eyed "young" bees Reply with quote

Okay, so I have posted about this seeming weak nuc I got from a "supplier" here in Indiana. The hive is really, still, failing to thrive despite a good, moderate temperature summer, with good moisture and plenty of blooms here in the city. I have also been feeding. I have had chalk brood, and spotted small hive beetles, and the number of busy workers coming and going is low. The past few days I have noticed workers crawling around and away from the hive. I say they are young because they are light colored and fuzzy and newly emerged bees largely are. Also, some them seem to also what I would consider to be "small" eyes, as if they have emerged semi-functional but still too early. Now, these bees are supposedly Minnesota Hygienic stock, so I do not anticipate a huge mite problem yet and I see know shriveled wings. I will do a might check through the screened bottom board today. I have some questions.

1) what is up with young bees with the notably smaller eyes?

2)This hive is weak. No two ways about it, but is one of only two hives I have in my back yard. The other is top-bar I just populated with a swarm. This hived swarm is so numerous and vigorous that I think they are going to rob this hive out. In fact I believe weak hive is getting scoped out today. Should, I for the health of both hives move this hive out of my yard to someplace else? I am seriously considering it.
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Dexter's shed
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Location: Grays, Essex, UK

PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cant answer all your questions, but if your feeding, why does it surprise you that you don't see many foragers???

bees aint stupid, if theres food being handed on a plate, why waste energy looking for it

me personally, I would stop feeding, if its a poor hive why waste sugar on it,
I'd move it away, stop the feeding and look in a few weeks time,
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Che Guebuddha
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Location: Hårlev, Stevns Kommune, Denmark

PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the colony is indeed very weak than they cant afford to send out many foragers since there will be not enough bees left to keep the brood nest warm. Less bees to take care of brood means more damaged brood. I sure would give them a kick start of energy (mind you I'm against feeding if not absolutely necessary).

The supplier might have sent you way to few house bees in that nuc and enough combs for the queen to lay in to. Heating and feeding brood takes huge amounts of energy. I don't think they can let many bees forage.

I dont know the answer about the small eyes and young bees leaving the hive. I do suspect contaminated pollen being fed to the larvae and causing such deformities as well as brood not being warm enough.

EDIT; if your other hive is very strong shake 2 combs of bees from brood combs into this weak hive and reduce entrance. I would not move them just now since forage is plenty.
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IanT
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Location: Lafayette, Indiana

PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience bees will give the syrup a pass if there are solid nectar sources around, which currently there are. What do you about getting weak hive to somewhere else so it does not get robbed out. I am not so much concerned about the weak hive, I just do not think they will make it...but I do not want the strong swarm hive to take too much chalk brood inoculum back to their home.

I can tell you one thing, I will never go back to the apiary from which I got these bees and I will make sure no one I knows will go there if I can help it. The response I got from them on the chalk brood problem was laughable.
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