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greengage
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:17 am    Post subject: Silly question. Reply with quote

Suppose your hive swarms and the new queen leaves with some of the bees already in the hive, will the new queen mate with these bees and if so will she be related to these bees that left with her, Therefore this would not be good for starting a new hive if they were located and returned,
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AugustC
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When a swarm leaves a hive it is the old already established queen that leaves. This happens usually around 8 days prior to the emergence of a new queen in the hive. You can have some after swarms which leave with virgin/unmated queens if more than one new queen emerges on the same day.
A new virgin queen will usually go for her mating flight with a week or two of emergence. She will be escorted to a drone congregation area where she will mate with many drones. I believe the number is estimated to be a minimum of seven required for a "well-mated" queen. She will not be related to these drones. There is the danger that some of the drones will have the same genes as the queens which results in diploid drones when laid (which are removed by the bee). This is thought to be one of the causes of the pepperpot gapping in brood patterns. Provided she mates with enough drones though this should fine. Search on youtube for the national honey show 2014 there is a good talk on bee biology.
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greengage
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone ever witnessed a drone congregation area, i would be very intrested in natural history and would not have observed activity like this. Ill have a look at you tube to see if I can find something tks
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Adam Rose
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a video of the actual mating : http://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2013/sep/06/queen-bee-wedding-flight-video which by definition would have been taken in a drone congregation area.
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greengage
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent I would love to see the film do you know if it is out on DVD
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ingo50
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding drone congregation areas: In past more bee-friendly times drones were very abundant and one could hear them near such areas, hence the term " droning on ". Not yet met anyone who has heard this in our time.
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trekmate
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

greengage wrote:
Excellent I would love to see the film do you know if it is out on DVD
Yes. A great film.
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