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What causes one hive to build faster than another?

 
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Jim7310
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 4:46 pm    Post subject: What causes one hive to build faster than another? Reply with quote

I have a question, the answer to which may be obvious to you with more experience, but is baffling me. I started two new hives from packages this spring in a new location for me. The packages both came from the same apiary and the hives are set up right next to each other; both hives have been treated exactly the same and must be foraging in the same area. Given all of those similarities it has surprised me to note that one hive is outperforming the other by a factor of 2 to 1, at least judging by the amount of comb they have built out and filled with brood and stores.


Does the individual queen have that much to do with how fast a hive builds up or are there other factors that may be influencing these two hives that I am not taking into account?


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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Queen!

Also some of the bees move into hive with the queen that has the stronger queen odour. That also pushes the stronger hive.
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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both hives have been treated exactly the same and must be foraging in the same area


Not always true. A few years ago a friend had one hive out of five fill a super with borrage honey - nearest field with borrage in it was over 4 miles away. None of the other colonies managed to find it, one of them filling a super in the same time but with a completely different type of honey.
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question. Each colony will be a unique individual superorganism with numerous internal and external factors determining honey storage etc. There is still so much we do not understand about bee biology and behaviour.
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also think the way a package is made up may affect it's coherence and ability to communicate effectively, especially in the initial stages of building a nest.

Packages are produced by shaking bees off combs from several different hives. If the bees in a package are predominantly from just one hive, I would imagine they might get a better start than one that is made up from several hives.

In reality though, it probably should be more of a surprise if the colonies grew at exactly the same pace. Nature is seldom about uniformity.
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