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"eco" hives vs wire mesh

 
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exmar
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:38 am    Post subject: "eco" hives vs wire mesh Reply with quote

NewB here. Have been reading about the ecohive movement wherein screened bottoms are being replaced with "natural" materials, sticks, rotting wood, dirt, etc. to more closely resemble the cavities in trees that bees are used to and evolved in.

I was under the impression that the screened bottom allowed better ventilation and most importantly allowed better moisture or humidity control. I've read that winter losses are not due so much to freezing as inability to control moisture-in this context anyway, many more causes out there.. There's also references to studies that screened bottom's accounted for 15% less varroa mite counts. Naturally, there are also a lot of opinions that the mites that fall through are diseased, deformed or unlucky. Smile Also, naturally, there are Beek's that are going back to solid bottoms and providing ventilation with spacers or drilling holes which the bees immediately use and abandon the landing board entrance.

Personally do no varroa control, leave that to the bees and assume if you have bees the mites are there also. My hives are Langstroth with screened bottoms sitting about a half inch over the bottom/landing board. Have never slid the ...board...that closes the screening off during the winter based on advice of other Beek's in this area, zone 7, U.S.

Wondering if Ventillation in hot weather would be a concern as we have many 80-100F days here, usually with high humidity.

My question, has the eco hive research determined if adequate moisture and temperate control is achieved? I've seen a few videos and comments about natural organisms in the "natural" material which the bees evolved with, and decaying wood which resembles the environment in a tree "should......"

Apologize if I used the wrong terms, thanks for your time,

Ev
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AugustC
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

take a look at this:

http://www.biobees.com/library/general_beekeeping/beekeeping_books_articles/ConstructiveBeekeeping_EdClarke.pdf

I do not believe ventilation is what it required by a cold-blooded animal that needs to maintain and temperature which for a temperate region is above that of the environment.
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exmar
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

>AugustC, thanks very much for this link!! Just printed it out and will be digesting at leisure. Fascinating that the copyright is 1918, the level of research that went into this is truly awesome.

Cursory review shows really fascinating stuff, e.g. "bees kept in heated greenhouses and hives which were heaped over with manure (decomposition produces heat) did poorly." Again and again, it seems that "keeping" bees seems to be a misnomer, "keeping out of their way" and letting them do what they've been doing forever would be more appropriate.

I really appreciate this,

Thanks again,

Ev
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AugustC
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem.

PS I always wince when I read back the posts I write from my mobile.
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