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Tavascarow
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:12 am    Post subject: Neonic ban Reply with quote

I haven't been here for a while & I'm amazed this isn't being talked about here.
On Tuesday the environment minister Liz Truss decides whether to lift the ban for use on oil seed rape.
The 38 degree group are lobbying heavily asking everyone to tweet Ms Truss, phone DEFRA, write to their MP & spread the message via social media family & friends.
The petition which I'm sure you have all signed.
The request to tweet Ms Truss.
If you skip the tweet it takes you to a page with DEFRAs helpline phone number. I've done both just to be a bee sting in the arse.

I've also seen an article from the farmers weekly that the ban has been upheld but as I said AFAIA the decision isn't being made till Tuesday.
So please keep up the pressure.
Farmers weekly article.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having reread the FW article I can see the confusion.
The governments scientific experts have indeed recommended the ban be upheld.
But they aren't the ones who will decide.
Ms Truss meets on Tuesday & is no doubt being wined & dined by Bayer & Syngenta (now a subsidiary of Monsanto). We need to counter that by filling her inbox & phone box with bees.
I've so far tweeted four times & phoned once.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

am sure i signed recently...all this TWEET talk is no use to those not on TWITTER i am on facebook and that is work enough don't use twitter myself or linked in fed up with all those accounts passwords etc .

how to get things changed ? well for sure all the wining and dining by the big boys mentioned above influence just like tobacco companies influenced governments to resist even admiting they caused cancer to us..

now do farmers get subsidies for buying this rubbish that is not proven to even increase crop productivity ? if so that is the taxpayers cost so harder to influence..but if they pay for it unsubsidised...and it can be demonstrated it adds no value and in fact DAMAGES their land and future income there is another angle.

politicians are hot air...they get on bandwagons to sound off getting themselves attention...now if they felt the public would like them more so vote more for them if they stood up for the bees then there is another angle

but if the majority prefer to be SILENT and PUT UP AND SHUT up...which i am told is VERY BRITISH ATTITUDE to PUT UP AND SHUT UP then no wonder the UK is alone in the EU to have not joined others banning this stuff before now !

IT needs some more hard hitting facts for the public in the UK to realise the harm these things are doing to their health...COST OF FOOD GOING UP is i think the BEST argument ! for sure watching in France farmers using TENTS to enclose FLIES that are useless pollinators compared to bees to do rapeseed pollination i thought..ah ha...just look at all that increased COST of producing rapeseed due to the shitty polluted land you put some much rubbish on over the years like pesticides that not a single SNAIL even let alone BEE lives on these hectares !
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

liz truss...google her..FOUND ! online form

http://www.elizabethtruss.com/contact

I wrote...

Dear Ms Truss,

Please ban pesticides etc that do longterm damage to our health NICOTINOIDS or word like that which most EU countries other than the UK have banned.

Like smoking, must you too follow like sheep the practice of MPs of the past in denying what is harmful to our people ?

Please be brave.

views also on

http://www.biobees.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111768#111768
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

got an automated reply from this mp that said if to do with her environment issues then emaail is defra.helpline@defra.gsi.gov.uk
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

obcarskas wrote:
got an automated reply from this mp that said if to do with her environment issues then emaail is defra.helpline@defra.gsi.gov.uk

Excellent. Very Happy
I to have avoided twitter for years but I joined just for this issue.
Painless afair, no teeth or blood extracted. In fact easier than facebook who want to know everything about you including your inside leg measurement & shoe size (at least it feels that way!!).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaja ! pleased to read about it here ! was so head down into moving national hives slip sliding away with bees in them lately i havent seen the deadlines for these environement issues !

just last night I was told of a farmer not far off with rapeseed fields ! i said oooh ! might go put some hives there ! eeek ! but if my bees get high on these pesticides they will get lost and die ! like for mobile phones used near them...what is bad for bees is bad for us humans too for things like that !

u shud ov seen the TENTS the french framer had to keep flies in to pollinate the rapeseed ! ridiculous ! took several people time to put it up, monitor how it was doing etc !

one big prob is that 40 percent of supermarket food is chucked away in our greed consumer made wasteful society

but less production of better quality is the answer surely

ouff a DOWNPOUR ! not going to mess with my bees frames today hey ! HUGE HUGE DOWNPOUR RIGHT NOW in overheated for some days CHESHIRE and probably also up there in the Welsh hills where my blackies are !

BUT THEY ARE NOT IN SEEPING NATIONAL HIVE FOR WATER ENTRY HIVES any more ! they are in TOTALLY SECURE DADANT HIVES with hang over roofing for rain to fall off away from their entrances even ! that have an extra roof over too !

they will be snug as buns in a rug inside those now...lots of fresh wood for insulation inside them.

you should have seen the POLLEN all over our white beesuits after the transfer last night ! HUGE pollen bags on their bag legs also i saw in the bee insprector visit !

all for now ! cheers !
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just e-mailed using that link.
Here's what I wrote.
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Dear Ms Truss it's imperative you maintain the ban on the use of neonicotinoid insecticides.
There are ample peer reviewed scientific papers written that prove how damaging these chemicals are to wild pollinators & honey bees.
The governments own scientific advisors have recommended you maintain the ban, & over two hundred thousand concerned members of public have signed an online petition in support of the ban.
Please in this instance put the environment before agrochemical profit.
I for one as a beekeeper will not be taking my bees anywhere near any oil seed rape fields if you lift this ban, & I'm sure there are many others just like me.

Yours sincerely

I don't take my bees anywhere near OSR anyways but hey!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sent to her e-mail:
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Dear Ms Truss

I am a beekeeper and am very concerned to learn that there is a possibility of removing the neonicotinoid ban.

There are many peer reviewed scientific papers that clearly show neonicotinoids to be harmful to wild pollinators and honey bees and I believe DEFRA's scientific advisors also believe this to be the case, despite the manufacturers claims to the contrary.

There have been recent reports that crops grown WITHOUT neonicotinoids return an equal or better yield than those with.

The only rational conclusion is that the pesticide manufacturers are more interested in a fast profit than the well-being of our food chain.

I implore you to agree with your scientists and support the continuation of the neonicotinoid ban.

Yours sincerely
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