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building an ecofloor and bars

 
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freebee
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:59 am    Post subject: building an ecofloor and bars Reply with quote

I donít know what happened, I posted some questions yesterday, but I donít see it back here, Since I'm new here, it's probably my mistake. So again:
Iím trying to build my own tbh and I want an ecofloor in it: has anyone experience with closing the bottom of the hive with varroamesh and then hang an ecofloor under it? It seems easier to fill it up and you can change it with a varroaboard in case you want to count the mites. Also, you donít have the problem of gaps between the followers and the floor. But I donít know if the bees are directly benefitting from the floor?
The most difficult part seems to me making the top bars, how do you attach the comb guide to the bars? Do I have to screw them? Iím afraid that the wood will split because it is so small, but will glue hold 3kg or more? And is 38mm width of the bars still ok?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:22 am    Post subject: Re: building an ecofloor and bars Reply with quote

freebee wrote:
I donít know what happened, I posted some questions yesterday, but I donít see it back here, Since I'm new here, it's probably my mistake. So again:
Iím trying to build my own tbh and I want an ecofloor in it: has anyone experience with closing the bottom of the hive with varroamesh and then hang an ecofloor under it? It seems easier to fill it up and you can change it with a varroaboard in case you want to count the mites. Also, you donít have the problem of gaps between the followers and the floor. But I donít know if the bees are directly benefitting from the floor?
The most difficult part seems to me making the top bars, how do you attach the comb guide to the bars? Do I have to screw them? Iím afraid that the wood will split because it is so small, but will glue hold 3kg or more? And is 38mm width of the bars still ok?

The bees should be exposed to the eco-floor to benefit fully from the beasties that should be living there. The Varroa mesh will defeat this.
I use wood glue and two thin panel pins to attach the guides to the bar. The pins are really to hold the guide in place while the glue sets. The thinner the guide the more the comb will be attached to the bar itself if you're concerned about the guide attachment.
Yes, 38mm will be fine, but you might like to make some thin spacers (5mm to 10mm wide) to go between the bars if (when!) the combs drift away from the centre of the bars. It's a judgement call by the beekeeper when to add these.
Good luck with the build and don't forget to share photos!
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ingo50
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too use small frame nails to attach a triangular wooden strip to the underside of the topbar as a comb guide, with some wood glue as well. Once dry I rub some clean mature bees wax and give it a quick blast with a heat gun so the wax melts on to the comb guide. I will often singe freshly bought wood to take away that new wood smell. My bees seem to like it. A hair dryer could also be used to melt the wax. Best to use your own disease free wax. Best of luck.
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freebee
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for your input, I will follow your recommendations and when I'm finished I will upload some pictures.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first deep litter floor was a retrofit with bees in situ so I wasn't able to remove the mesh floor. I found that the floor was a haven for wax moth to breed and flourish in as the bees were unable to get to them through the mesh to remove them but the wax moth could get through. Although the hive was strong enough to deal with any wax moth that made it into the hive body I felt that having this constant infestation below that they could do nothing about was not a healthy situation and if the colony had become weaker they would have been overwhelmed quite quickly. I would therefore also advise against having a mesh between the hive and the deep litter.
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freebee
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

O, wow, I hate those moths (not fair I know, they are part of nature too). A couple of years ago, I started out with a bee-hotel, last year I bought a bumble bee box, which was occupied until the wax moth totally destroyed it. Iím now making a pendulum flap for the entrance and hope that will work.
So, definitely not a mesh floor for my tbh, thanks!
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