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Author: Ivan
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:55 pm (GMT 0)

That's an interesting observation about the thistles. I have a fair crop of them in my field each late summer because I don't manage the grass too well and this is Scotland after all... but I would say the bees are less interested than the butterflies

Author: Norm
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:55 pm (GMT 0)

Kathy, welcome. Watch the video here:-
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Author: Kathy
Subject: establishing bees in top bar hive
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:24 pm (GMT 0)

How does one place several 'nuc' frames from a bee supply source in a top bar hive that does not accept the standard Langstroth frames?

Thank you Kathy


Author: zaunreiter
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:04 pm (GMT 0)

Ivan wrote:
.. is this the phenomenon where a colony has an empty box below but behaves as though it has run out of space and swarms?


Yes, that is it. I don't know what is the reason for that behaviour - maybe there are more underlying causes. Some years the bees build right down through all sections - not a problem at all.

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Author: zaunreiter
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:01 pm (GMT 0)

I wouldn't use them. There are already enough chemicals out there the bees have to cope with.

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Author: zaunreiter
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:59 pm (GMT 0)

A future beekeeper Wink

It starts with fear and hate, ends with love.

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Author: Gareth
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:19 am (GMT 0)

Tavascarow wrote:
chameleon wrote:
Thanks, thats a little clearer now.

if i do need to feed them because the weather turns bad, is it best to do this inside the hive?
Yes.
Feeding inside the hive reduces the risk of robbing.
It's not such a problem if this is your only colony but wasps can be attracted, & in a small colony, which wont have the same ability as a large established one to defend itself, can become a pest as they will steal larvae as well as honey/ syrup.


Keep the entrance down to one bee space (7mm to allow room for drones) and keep an eye on them if feeding. Wasps can be a particular problem later in the season with small colonies: I lost a few last year because the wasps were silent robbing. Neither the bees nor the wasps were making a fuss, so the robbing went unnoticed at first. And once established such robbing is almost impossible to stop as the bees seem to accept the wasps as one of their own - hive scent I guess.
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Author: Tavascarow
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:00 am (GMT 0)

chameleon wrote:
Thanks, thats a little clearer now.

if i do need to feed them because the weather turns bad, is it best to do this inside the hive?
Yes.
Feeding inside the hive reduces the risk of robbing.
It's not such a problem if this is your only colony but wasps can be attracted, & in a small colony, which wont have the same ability as a large established one to defend itself, can become a pest as they will steal larvae as well as honey/ syrup.
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Author: GarlyDog
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:40 pm (GMT 0)

Welcome to the forum. A few words of advice for you...

I have my bees on a second story roof too with one doorway into the house as an escape route. There have been times that the bees have come out of the hive en-mass when I was doing some manipulations in the hive.

You always have to be prepared to stay out with them until things calm down or they will follow you into the house. Be prepared with a veil, gloves and ties around your ankles if you have to wait it out. I have set up a secondary escape route (a ladder) if I need to get away.

I hope your bees are nice and docile. It is especially helpful for a rooftop hive.

Cheers!
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Author: chameleon
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:16 pm (GMT 0)

Thanks, thats a little clearer now.

if i do need to feed them because the weather turns bad, is it best to do this inside the hive?


Author: Norm
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:40 pm (GMT 0)

Hello & welcome. Smile

Trawl the memberlist for other TBH'ers in your area.
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Author: nitevet39
Subject: Greetings from Minnesota
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:39 pm (GMT 0)

I am new to beekeeping. I decided to try top bar beekeeping after doing a little research. Thanks to all who post in this forum-this has been the best source of information on top bar hive beekeeping I've found so far-would still love to find someone in my area who does it...

My bees arrive on April 24! 2 2lb packages, going in to 2 top bar hives that will be on my 2nd floor porch (I'm in the city...). I am so excited!


Author: GarlyDog
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:11 pm (GMT 0)

The person understands the bees' purpose and activities on an intellectual level and the difference from wasps. Sometimes irrational fears still drives behavior. In the end, I have no doubt that they will have a lovely garden, complete with bees and wasps. I made sure that they weren't considering a pesticide solution either. Wink
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Author: Ivan
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:45 pm (GMT 0)

...on the other side of the coin

1. Ply is a nice stable material that won't warp as readily as wood boards so it can be easier to woodwork
2. Bees ventilate the hive with a passion during the nectar flow so any volatiles coming from the ply may be washed out of the hive entrance leaving an insignificant concentration to dissolve into the comb
4. Pine is a source of turpentine, which makes it unattractive for use as a food smoking material... could those same unpleasant volatiles from natural wood be just as much of a problem for bees and honey as volatiles from ply?
3. Bees ventilate moisture out of the hive which combined with the Warre quilt might mean that waterproof ply walls are perfectly OK


Author: thomas89
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:16 pm (GMT 0)

Thanks for the compassion, not sure if it makes me feel better, but thanks non the less Sad . Guess it feels better just to share the misery. I had just ordered 2 packages for the top bar hives I built over the winter. I'm not sure if I'll order another one to replace the dead out or just encourage (ya right, like they need it) one of them to swarm, thereby allowing me to excersise my swarm catching skills, something i'm very interested in developing in my local area.

thanks again.

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Author: Ivan
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:58 am (GMT 0)

I have four Warre hives all close to the ground as per the advice by Warre

My thoughts are... yes a bit of extra height might help guard against mice, the low height might help keep out draughts, though one can introduce different floor designs or leave empty nadir boxes to counter this

If the various arguements about height have very little actual effect on the bees welfare then I think the overriding consideration should be for the beekeeper's back. Perhaps we should be thinking about the best height range for our Warre hives that suits our own posture


Author: Ivan
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:28 am (GMT 0)

zaunreiter wrote:
Even without the need for inspection a new trend goes to starter strips, because of what is called the false floor problem


Berhard could you expand please on what you mean by the false floor problem... is this the phenomenon where a colony has an empty box below but behaves as though it has run out of space and swarms? Is this something to do with the size of the gaps between the top-bars?


Author: Tavascarow
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:45 am (GMT 0)

CCD wrote:


If you can explain it all sympathetically, they will hopefully be a little more open to the bees. They will, after all, then have a completely free hand to plant whatever they want irrespective of the beesÂ’ preferences or dislikes.

Along with a jar of honey.
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Author: professor
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:48 pm (GMT 0)

Heck I even put the ones found in the snow or on the cold fall ground in my hands and try to blow warm breath into them. Sometimes they do come around and are able to walk back in to momma. Finding a whole hive dead totally bums me out and I feel guilty even if I did everything right. Goes with keeping them I guess. Sorry to hear about your loss. Sad
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Author: CCD
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:05 pm (GMT 0)

GarlyDog wrote:


Excellent point, but it's not the case here.


Well exactly. As soon as I read the start of this thread, I saw that here was someone afraid of bees. Or more specifically, someone afraid of being stung. They want a nice little ‘haven’ without any pests or irritations…. a pretty garden cut off from the real world.

I think you should talk to the person and ask them why they do not want bees. Then clear up misconceptions about their likelihood to sting. Bees are not like wasps (yellow jackets) which annoy you at picnics – trying to get at your soda etc. And when out foraging, they are not in hive-defence mode and much, much less likely to sting. I have poked and prodded foraging bees and they just take off and fly to the next flower. It’s actually quite fascinating just sitting there watching bees forage on flowers. Growing plants that actually attract insects, like buddleia, can be quite a point of interest in the garden – attracting plenty of butterflies etc. too. It would be a shame to omit such beautiful flowers from a garden because of a misunderstanding about the behaviour of bees.

If you can explain it all sympathetically, they will hopefully be a little more open to the bees. They will, after all, then have a completely free hand to plant whatever they want irrespective of the beesÂ’ preferences or dislikes.



Author: Nijal
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:20 pm (GMT 0)

Quote:
The Steiner Books webpage is bringing up the following message :Currently Not Available for Purchasel


The publication date is March 30, 2010
I would expect Amazon to stock this when it comes out.


Author: GarlyDog
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:08 pm (GMT 0)

strider3700 wrote:
It could be that he's wanting to breed the flowers and control the pollination very carefully.


Excellent point, but it's not the case here.
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Author: GarlyDog
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:06 pm (GMT 0)

Tavascarow wrote:
Concrete & asphalt work relly well.


You read my mind. LOL
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Author: cvirtue
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:33 pm (GMT 0)

I don't think that those of us who really like bees "get used to it." You have my sympathies.
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